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		<title>Comment on Summer of Code and DragonFly: who is interested? by John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 07:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mentioned on IRC that a good GSoC project would be bring the Linux emulation to the x86_64 architecture.  It only works on i386 right now.  However, I&#039;m not sure if this means supporting linux-32 binaries, linux-64 binaries, or both types.

I was told to update the project page but I didn&#039;t get around to it....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mentioned on IRC that a good GSoC project would be bring the Linux emulation to the x86_64 architecture.  It only works on i386 right now.  However, I&#8217;m not sure if this means supporting linux-32 binaries, linux-64 binaries, or both types.</p>
<p>I was told to update the project page but I didn&#8217;t get around to it&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A new BSD Blog! by pharmacy benefits management</title>
		<link>http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/2010/08/02/6163.html/comment-page-1#comment-44498</link>
		<dc:creator>pharmacy benefits management</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cant wait till I can run marathons and BQ someday!</description>
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		<title>Comment on A new BSD Blog! by seo services blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>seo services blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its going to take a literal army to remove them from power.  It will take an army to protect our borders while we do so also, because if we start kicking them out en mass we will have dozens of countries lined up and ready for war against us.  There really is only one solution, and that is to fight like the dickens, but most people are afraid to even openly stand up against them, let alone risk their lives to make it better.  A lot of people around the world will say its up to you Americans to win this, but thats wrong also.  Its going to take a coordinated GLOBAL effort to remove them from EVERYWHERE at the same time.  Its going to take SHUTTING DOWN the monetary/banking system for a while.  SHUTTING DOWN and regaining control of the media and standing up ready for WAR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its going to take a literal army to remove them from power.  It will take an army to protect our borders while we do so also, because if we start kicking them out en mass we will have dozens of countries lined up and ready for war against us.  There really is only one solution, and that is to fight like the dickens, but most people are afraid to even openly stand up against them, let alone risk their lives to make it better.  A lot of people around the world will say its up to you Americans to win this, but thats wrong also.  Its going to take a coordinated GLOBAL effort to remove them from EVERYWHERE at the same time.  Its going to take SHUTTING DOWN the monetary/banking system for a while.  SHUTTING DOWN and regaining control of the media and standing up ready for WAR.</p>
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		<title>Comment on GCC 4.6 now possible by John</title>
		<link>http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/2012/02/06/9147.html/comment-page-1#comment-44493</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, lang/gcc46 exists but it doesn&#039;t build on DragonFly.  It includes languages not supported by lang/gnat-aux (namely java), but it doesn&#039;t include Ada which is the main focus of gnat-aux.  Maybe it&#039;s best to think of gnat-aux as an alternative gcc4.6 package maintained by different authors, and that gnat-aux is specifically tuned for DragonFly.

The post still has some inaccuracies.  Perhaps it would be best to point to the man page of compilers.conf.  ( http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/cgi/web-man?command=compilers.conf&amp;section=ANY ).  You can see instructions on how to build world and that the variable WORLD_CCVER is used in this case, not CCVER.  It also specifically calls out lang/gnat-aux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, lang/gcc46 exists but it doesn&#8217;t build on DragonFly.  It includes languages not supported by lang/gnat-aux (namely java), but it doesn&#8217;t include Ada which is the main focus of gnat-aux.  Maybe it&#8217;s best to think of gnat-aux as an alternative gcc4.6 package maintained by different authors, and that gnat-aux is specifically tuned for DragonFly.</p>
<p>The post still has some inaccuracies.  Perhaps it would be best to point to the man page of compilers.conf.  ( <a href="http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/cgi/web-man?command=compilers.conf&#038;section=ANY" rel="nofollow">http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/cgi/web-man?command=compilers.conf&#038;section=ANY</a> ).  You can see instructions on how to build world and that the variable WORLD_CCVER is used in this case, not CCVER.  It also specifically calls out lang/gnat-aux.</p>
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		<title>Comment on GCC 4.6 now possible by Justin Sherrill</title>
		<link>http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/2012/02/06/9147.html/comment-page-1#comment-44492</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Sherrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corrected.  It&#039;s confusing that gcc 4.6 can actually be gnat-aux, but I suppose that will fix itself over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corrected.  It&#8217;s confusing that gcc 4.6 can actually be gnat-aux, but I suppose that will fix itself over time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on GCC 4.6 now possible by John</title>
		<link>http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/2012/02/06/9147.html/comment-page-1#comment-44486</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 03:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Justin,
That last bit isn&#039;t quite right.  WORLD_CCVER=gcc46 refers specifically to lang/gnat-aux in pkgsrc.  Moreover, it&#039;s the version of lang/gnat-aux that&#039;s in pkgsrc trunk which builds c++ by default.  One could use the lang/gnat-aux in the 2011Q4 branch, but they would need to manually select the c++ option.

gcc doesn&#039;t build on DragonFly without a significant number of patches, so downloading and building one from gnu.org is not going to work.  I&#039;m afraid almost everyone would interpret the post to build gcc4.6 from scratch, so it probably should be updated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Justin,<br />
That last bit isn&#8217;t quite right.  WORLD_CCVER=gcc46 refers specifically to lang/gnat-aux in pkgsrc.  Moreover, it&#8217;s the version of lang/gnat-aux that&#8217;s in pkgsrc trunk which builds c++ by default.  One could use the lang/gnat-aux in the 2011Q4 branch, but they would need to manually select the c++ option.</p>
<p>gcc doesn&#8217;t build on DragonFly without a significant number of patches, so downloading and building one from gnu.org is not going to work.  I&#8217;m afraid almost everyone would interpret the post to build gcc4.6 from scratch, so it probably should be updated.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Up-to-date packages and pkgsrc by ambushbloat</title>
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		<dc:creator>ambushbloat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 20:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Red Hat&#039;s defence, RHEL 5 was released in 2007, where the newest Perl was 5.8; RHEL 6 in late 2010 (newest Perl 5.12, but they shipped 5.10). Anyone trying to create a server distro would not lightly upgrade something which so many packages depend on.

(Even then, Fedora, the testing platform for Red Hat usually known for bleeding edge software, has been a tad slow in adopting new Perl versions to my knowledge)

Anyway, the Perl community often recommends installing a (possibly newer) local Perl interpreter and using that for own scripts and development. Things are less likely to break that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Red Hat&#8217;s defence, RHEL 5 was released in 2007, where the newest Perl was 5.8; RHEL 6 in late 2010 (newest Perl 5.12, but they shipped 5.10). Anyone trying to create a server distro would not lightly upgrade something which so many packages depend on.</p>
<p>(Even then, Fedora, the testing platform for Red Hat usually known for bleeding edge software, has been a tad slow in adopting new Perl versions to my knowledge)</p>
<p>Anyway, the Perl community often recommends installing a (possibly newer) local Perl interpreter and using that for own scripts and development. Things are less likely to break that way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NetBSD Hackathon, February 10-12 by Lazarus</title>
		<link>http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/2012/02/03/9133.html/comment-page-1#comment-44480</link>
		<dc:creator>Lazarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 19:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention code that came to DragonFly from NetBSD itself like tempfs, tnftp, libm, Citrus, Device Mapper, proplib, and various drivers ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention code that came to DragonFly from NetBSD itself like tempfs, tnftp, libm, Citrus, Device Mapper, proplib, and various drivers ;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Odd DVD drive issue by Edward O'Callaghan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward O'Callaghan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 17:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it a SATA driver? There is a bug in the AHCI driver that stops my Lenovo X301ultra slim DVD drive from working unless I put it into &#039;Legacy&#039; mode in the BIOS.

This has been a long standing issue I could never get to the bottom of, works in Linux, Solaris, etc.. It seems to be some command that is not getting sent that is needed at init of the drive its self? If this is the same case with this drive perhaps we could narrow it down at last!?

Cheers,
Edward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it a SATA driver? There is a bug in the AHCI driver that stops my Lenovo X301ultra slim DVD drive from working unless I put it into &#8216;Legacy&#8217; mode in the BIOS.</p>
<p>This has been a long standing issue I could never get to the bottom of, works in Linux, Solaris, etc.. It seems to be some command that is not getting sent that is needed at init of the drive its self? If this is the same case with this drive perhaps we could narrow it down at last!?</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Edward.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ISDN really gone by Edward O'Callaghan</title>
		<link>http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/2012/01/31/9121.html/comment-page-1#comment-44475</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward O'Callaghan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 05:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No sad from me!

Glad to see as much old stuff taken out as possible.
Things have became way too fat and unmaintainable today which too many &#039;maybe useful&#039; fetchers that &#039;maybe used&#039;. The wonders that a clean up has done for the Mesa project over the last year!

Keep spring cleaning in season! :)

P.S.
They say pidgins are the future now!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneakernet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No sad from me!</p>
<p>Glad to see as much old stuff taken out as possible.<br />
Things have became way too fat and unmaintainable today which too many &#8216;maybe useful&#8217; fetchers that &#8216;maybe used&#8217;. The wonders that a clean up has done for the Mesa project over the last year!</p>
<p>Keep spring cleaning in season! :)</p>
<p>P.S.<br />
They say pidgins are the future now!<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneakernet" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneakernet</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Lazy reading for 2012/01/29 by Christian Sturm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Sturm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the serious computer link. I like stuff with core memory. :)</description>
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		<title>Comment on Book review: The Linux Command Line by Kostya Berger</title>
		<link>http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/2012/01/24/9047.html/comment-page-1#comment-44463</link>
		<dc:creator>Kostya Berger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: Will Backman
--Right, desktop space is NEVER ehough... but then it&#039;s the best time for them to learn their keyboard shortcuts, he-he. At least, that is how I learned them, only recently, although actively using bash command line for years now.
It is SO MUCH easier to navigate between the open apps windows with Alt+Tab (GNOME) when they cover one another.  
With keyboard control of things it is just pressing the same keys and getting the window you need, while with mouse it is doing a more complex muscle work, which disturbs my concentration and effects the typing. 
My typing has improved these couple of weeks that I&#039;ve been using kb shortcuts for everything, MUCH less wrong keys typed (almost none). This I couldn&#039;t improve for years, never knowing the reason why. 

...OK, just wanted to say that mastering one&#039;s keyboard goes side by side with CLI work.
And generally, computers have improved a good deal since the days of DOS and all that, but in good many ways this progress has gone in a wrong direction. But that&#039;s a long story...
 
And logically: you have 100+ keys of your keyboard, a complete operation panel, and yet need to use some additional device like mouse. And when you have to do a lot of typing mouse is distracting (for me at least). So I&#039;d say keyboard shortcuts are kinda the same level knowledge as CLI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: Will Backman<br />
&#8211;Right, desktop space is NEVER ehough&#8230; but then it&#8217;s the best time for them to learn their keyboard shortcuts, he-he. At least, that is how I learned them, only recently, although actively using bash command line for years now.<br />
It is SO MUCH easier to navigate between the open apps windows with Alt+Tab (GNOME) when they cover one another.<br />
With keyboard control of things it is just pressing the same keys and getting the window you need, while with mouse it is doing a more complex muscle work, which disturbs my concentration and effects the typing.<br />
My typing has improved these couple of weeks that I&#8217;ve been using kb shortcuts for everything, MUCH less wrong keys typed (almost none). This I couldn&#8217;t improve for years, never knowing the reason why. </p>
<p>&#8230;OK, just wanted to say that mastering one&#8217;s keyboard goes side by side with CLI work.<br />
And generally, computers have improved a good deal since the days of DOS and all that, but in good many ways this progress has gone in a wrong direction. But that&#8217;s a long story&#8230;</p>
<p>And logically: you have 100+ keys of your keyboard, a complete operation panel, and yet need to use some additional device like mouse. And when you have to do a lot of typing mouse is distracting (for me at least). So I&#8217;d say keyboard shortcuts are kinda the same level knowledge as CLI.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Do you use ISDN? by Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 03:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At last, toss! Too much old stuff for a small project like this to maintain..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At last, toss! Too much old stuff for a small project like this to maintain..</p>
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		<title>Comment on Book review: The Linux Command Line by Will Backman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Backman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would have been better as a physical book, because it was hard for the students to have both the terminal and examples from the PDF on the screen at the same time. Not enough screen real estate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would have been better as a physical book, because it was hard for the students to have both the terminal and examples from the PDF on the screen at the same time. Not enough screen real estate.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Book review: The Linux Command Line by Justin Sherrill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Sherrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize it had been previously published that way.  I&#039;m the best investigative journalist ever.

In any case, I like having the physical book in hand; I find it very hard to sit and read electronic documents on my desktop for an extended period.  It&#039;s fine for &quot;how do I fix this&quot; sort of issues, but long reads are not pleasant.  Or perhaps the rest of the Internet is too distracting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize it had been previously published that way.  I&#8217;m the best investigative journalist ever.</p>
<p>In any case, I like having the physical book in hand; I find it very hard to sit and read electronic documents on my desktop for an extended period.  It&#8217;s fine for &#8220;how do I fix this&#8221; sort of issues, but long reads are not pleasant.  Or perhaps the rest of the Internet is too distracting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Book review: The Linux Command Line by Will Backman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Backman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I switched to this book last year for my Unix course. The students liked it, particularly the free download. The Author was happy to see it being used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I switched to this book last year for my Unix course. The students liked it, particularly the free download. The Author was happy to see it being used.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Book review: The Linux Command Line by Micah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 05:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s worth pointing out that this fellow also has this book -- maybe a slightly older edition -- available under a Creative Commons license. According to his page (Linuxcommand.org), the No Starch Press version is just a reprint. Which is fine, since this version, when I looked at it, seemed to be just as good as Justin says the No Starch Press printed edition is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s worth pointing out that this fellow also has this book &#8212; maybe a slightly older edition &#8212; available under a Creative Commons license. According to his page (Linuxcommand.org), the No Starch Press version is just a reprint. Which is fine, since this version, when I looked at it, seemed to be just as good as Justin says the No Starch Press printed edition is.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lazy Reading for 2012/01/22 by Will Backman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Backman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 03:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual, great links</description>
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		<title>Comment on Security problem and a fix by ?????????? ? MySQL, Gitorious, PowerDNS, Suhosin PHP, OpenSSL, Moodle, VirtualBox, Solaris, Wireshark, Glibc, DragonFly BSD, Asterisk&#160;&#124;&#160;AllUNIX.ru &#8212; ????????????? ?????? ? UNIX-????????</title>
		<link>http://www.shiningsilence.com/dbsdlog/2012/01/20/9029.html/comment-page-1#comment-44438</link>
		<dc:creator>?????????? ? MySQL, Gitorious, PowerDNS, Suhosin PHP, OpenSSL, Moodle, VirtualBox, Solaris, Wireshark, Glibc, DragonFly BSD, Asterisk&#160;&#124;&#160;AllUNIX.ru &#8212; ????????????? ?????? ? UNIX-????????</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 23:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ???????????? ??????? DragonFly BSD ???????? ???????? ? ???????????? ???????, ??????? ?????? [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on RELRO in a BSD by Zoey4ever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoey4ever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 10:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to score another first time in *BSD (heck, IIRC even Linux doesn&#039;t have it), add CTR support to the padlock kernel driver :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to score another first time in *BSD (heck, IIRC even Linux doesn&#8217;t have it), add CTR support to the padlock kernel driver :)</p>
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